Did you listen to Dougald's conversation with Tyson Yunkaporta ? DH is lauding the connectivity of kinship when TY points out that kinship necessitates stringent limits that are meant to curb exactly this kind of pathological behavior. And I am rereading TY's new book, Right Story, Wrong Story and just read the section which muses- during a psychotic break, no less- on how an open system (Aboriginal Lore) can interface with a closed system (Modern Capitalist Deathwish) without it falling prey to the closed system. They didn't have an answer, but my hunch is that you have to wait for (and maybe encourage) the closed system to crack open from its own internal strain. And one of the consistent ways that Wrong Story happens, is going fast, wanting things now- this relation to time. As Bayo (and Buddhists before him) say: Everything is very urgent, thus we must go very slowly.
This recording can be a little maddening. TY doesn't seem to know anything about DH, seems a little manic and his sweet, autistic son can be heard very loudly throughout, especially when DH is talking, but for all that, it's a real conversation.
I was struck reading that book by the conceptual underpinnings, like the way he conceives of landscape from a bird's-eye view. We don't tend to do that here, and I thought maybe it's the difference between living in a mostly flat landscape vs a mostly hilly one. (Not that all Ahitereiria is flat, or all Aotearoa hilly, but in the desert it's flat.) That bird's-eye viewpoint is expressed in songlines and paintings etc.)
And the idea of women's business and men's business. I noticed pretty quickly that he was talking to other menfolk, then he was like 'Women's knowledge is forbidden to me, so you'll have to go and ask them.'
I loved his coinages like 'we-all' and 'us-two'.
I liked the bit about their reverse anthropology study on how settler cultures manage their punch-ups.
I also liked his 'Don't come round trying to find some indigenous wisdom LOL'.
The fundamental idea of 'Right Story' made a lot of sense to me. My saying for this is 'It's not what, it's how.'
Those who think only in terms of ego, profit, and competition— those who only see dog-eat-dog— can’t understand cooperation or interdependence. Exploitative behaviour is rewarded under Capitalism...
Well written, thanks Rosie. Almost everyone I speak to is appalled at the way we're heading, but that might just reflect the bubble I'm in; I also have conservative farmer neighbours who can't see the harm.
But it's an interesting phenomenon which I suspect might be a way of coping with the growing insecurity in the world; grab what you can and run for the bunker. A complete fallacy of course, but encouraged by disinformation from some who want to see a collapse.
Update: the day after I published this post, Melissa Lee was demoted from Cabinet and stripped of her Media portfolio. Over the weekend I saw my friend Paul, who told me that he was responsible for the other demotion, Penny Simmonds being stripped of the Disability Issues portfolio. This morning Bernard Hickey reported that a One News poll (on business, consumer, and voter confidence about the country's direction) translates into the worst polling performance for a first-term Government since the introduction of MMP in 1996. The previous low was Ruth Richardson's Mother of All Budgets in 1991.
Meanwhile, despite Luxon's 'I'm the Boss and I'll sack who I like' rhetoric, David Seymour has said that any unilateral sacking of an Act Minister would breach their coalition agreement. Looks like the wheels are falling off already.
Did you listen to Dougald's conversation with Tyson Yunkaporta ? DH is lauding the connectivity of kinship when TY points out that kinship necessitates stringent limits that are meant to curb exactly this kind of pathological behavior. And I am rereading TY's new book, Right Story, Wrong Story and just read the section which muses- during a psychotic break, no less- on how an open system (Aboriginal Lore) can interface with a closed system (Modern Capitalist Deathwish) without it falling prey to the closed system. They didn't have an answer, but my hunch is that you have to wait for (and maybe encourage) the closed system to crack open from its own internal strain. And one of the consistent ways that Wrong Story happens, is going fast, wanting things now- this relation to time. As Bayo (and Buddhists before him) say: Everything is very urgent, thus we must go very slowly.
Interesting thanks Jack, do you have a link to the conversation please?
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0D0EXFYvVT6Aibw5bwt6Ap?go=1&sp_cid=c77c46f9318d6816fb5fd82adc0c9092&utm_source=embed_player_p&utm_medium=desktop&nd=1&dlsi=f86afe4ea60d422c
This recording can be a little maddening. TY doesn't seem to know anything about DH, seems a little manic and his sweet, autistic son can be heard very loudly throughout, especially when DH is talking, but for all that, it's a real conversation.
I didn't listen to that conversation yet, but I did read Right Story, Wrong Story, and really dug it. I thought I'd written about the book, but I find I only quoted it once, here: https://rosiewhinray.substack.com/p/beach-combing-journal-1910
I was struck reading that book by the conceptual underpinnings, like the way he conceives of landscape from a bird's-eye view. We don't tend to do that here, and I thought maybe it's the difference between living in a mostly flat landscape vs a mostly hilly one. (Not that all Ahitereiria is flat, or all Aotearoa hilly, but in the desert it's flat.) That bird's-eye viewpoint is expressed in songlines and paintings etc.)
And the idea of women's business and men's business. I noticed pretty quickly that he was talking to other menfolk, then he was like 'Women's knowledge is forbidden to me, so you'll have to go and ask them.'
I loved his coinages like 'we-all' and 'us-two'.
I liked the bit about their reverse anthropology study on how settler cultures manage their punch-ups.
I also liked his 'Don't come round trying to find some indigenous wisdom LOL'.
The fundamental idea of 'Right Story' made a lot of sense to me. My saying for this is 'It's not what, it's how.'
Those who think only in terms of ego, profit, and competition— those who only see dog-eat-dog— can’t understand cooperation or interdependence. Exploitative behaviour is rewarded under Capitalism...
Well written, thanks Rosie. Almost everyone I speak to is appalled at the way we're heading, but that might just reflect the bubble I'm in; I also have conservative farmer neighbours who can't see the harm.
But it's an interesting phenomenon which I suspect might be a way of coping with the growing insecurity in the world; grab what you can and run for the bunker. A complete fallacy of course, but encouraged by disinformation from some who want to see a collapse.
We certainly do live in interesting times.
Loved this, thank you Rosie.
Update: the day after I published this post, Melissa Lee was demoted from Cabinet and stripped of her Media portfolio. Over the weekend I saw my friend Paul, who told me that he was responsible for the other demotion, Penny Simmonds being stripped of the Disability Issues portfolio. This morning Bernard Hickey reported that a One News poll (on business, consumer, and voter confidence about the country's direction) translates into the worst polling performance for a first-term Government since the introduction of MMP in 1996. The previous low was Ruth Richardson's Mother of All Budgets in 1991.
Meanwhile, despite Luxon's 'I'm the Boss and I'll sack who I like' rhetoric, David Seymour has said that any unilateral sacking of an Act Minister would breach their coalition agreement. Looks like the wheels are falling off already.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/515540/analysis-what-the-shock-poll-tells-us-about-the-coalition-government
...and:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fast-track-approvals-bill-protesters-to-gather-in-aucklands-aotea-square/TKKB6NJTU5BX5NMLG3HWLSR26Q/
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